Amazon.com Widgets Some Food for Thought About AppWave

Some Food for Thought About AppWave

By Nick at March 30, 2011 10:40
Filed Under: Delphi, TechBiz

Here are some facts, thoughts, and a conclusion concerning AppWave.

  • Embarcadero has announced their latest thing called AppWave
    • Marco has a pretty good article about it on his blog. 
    • It appears to be sort of a “AppStore for Windows”.  You can sign up for the AppWave store and publish your wares.  It looks like Embarcadero will provide the tools to virtualize your application, as well as to provide sales support.  You just write the app, post it, and watch the cash meter go up.
  • Amazon has an interesting announcement this morning,
    • They are creating a “CloudDrive” for storing your music out in the cloud.  You’ll be able to play your music from any computer, as well as from your Android phone.
    • You can get 5GB for free (I signed up already).  You can get more storage by buying songs and music from them, and the storing of Amazon-purchased MP3’s doesn’t count against you.
    • This follows closely on their announcement last week of their own Android marketplace.

amazon

Amazon started out as bookstore online, but they have expanded to selling almost anything that can actually be shipped  via UPS or Fedex, and more importantly – electronically.

And in the last few years they’ve moved beyond even that to being a leading player in the cloud space.  They have their own digital book platform in the Kindle. They are knocking on Netflix's door with their own Instant Video offering. Their EC2 platforms are pretty cool – you can basically own a computer out on the cloud for a very reasonable price – probably less than you would spend on purchasing and maintaining a physical box.  You can remote into the machine and manage it like it was your very own.  You can clone the machines with a click of a button.  Pretty powerful stuff.  And a pretty compelling, forward thinking business. 

I think it is safe to say that Amazon is not fooling around.

Apple and Google both should be looking over their shoulders.  Apple should be concerned about Amazon cutting into the iTunes arena, and Google should be feeling the pinch on the cloud computing side of things.  Amazon is coming strong into their space. 

Okay, so here is the conclusion I promised:  One of Embarcadero’s end-game plans for AppWave is to get bought by Amazon. 

Amazon is the only one of the players in this space not tied to their own OS, and thus can be the one that provides an AppStore for Windows.  (Google is OS neutral at best, but obviously interested in promoting Android and ChromeOS, and Apple, well, they are Apple, aren’t they.)  AppWave theoretically could be something that launches Embarcadero into the big-time, but it’s also something that the big-time players could very well want to buy.

And of course, one has to believe that Microsoft won’t be silent in all of this.

Thoughts?

Comments (18) -

3/30/2011 11:13:52 AM #

Simon J Stuart

"And of course, one has to believe that Microsoft won’t be silent in all of this."

The most staggering thing about Microsoft is the "Silence of a million Zunes" ;)

Simon J Stuart United Kingdom |

3/30/2011 11:38:25 AM #

Chris

I'm not sure how to read your conclusion, given it's not in Embarcadero's gift to sell themselves. Are you meaning to imply Embarcadero is somehow conspiring to get its current owners to sell up to Amazon? Or that this is what the private equity firm behind Embarcadero is trying to engineer?

Chris United Kingdom |

3/30/2011 11:45:05 AM #

nick

Chris --

That's exactly what I'm implying -- that EMBT is positioning itself to be purchased by Amazon, or MS, or Google or.....

nick United States |

3/30/2011 12:41:50 PM #

Kevin

RE: Conclusion.
A business strategy for "success" that is based on being acquired by another entity is high risk.  There are very few examples of this actually working out.  The .com wild west ended over a decade ago.

Kevin Canada |

3/30/2011 12:42:22 PM #

Steve Loft

I think it's 5GB that Amazon are giving for free ;)

Steve Loft United Kingdom |

3/30/2011 1:56:38 PM #

Chris

Nick - I don't really (er, don't at all) understand how private equity firms work, but I was under the impression it wasn't really Embarcadero that bought CodeGear, but Thomas Bravo so as to add CodeGear to its existing Embarcadero property. In other words, Embarcadero isn't an independent entity, so talk of it positioning itself to be sold, I would have thought, can have multiple possible meanings. Maybe my understanding of the current ownership situation is wrong though?

Chris United Kingdom |

3/30/2011 2:31:27 PM #

Simon J Stuart

It would be devastating for EMB to be aquired by one of the big ".bomb" companies! Microsoft would certainly want to aquire EMB if only to control its share of the development market...

None of that would boad well for we customers!

Personally I don't see AppWave as some nefarious "product-posturing" means of selling out to a bigger outfit! I see it as a great opportunity to compete head-on in the Cloud-bomb (face it, we all know it'll blow up sometime in the next 5-10 years).
It's also quite different to many of the Cloud solutions on offer from other outfits, in that the applications run on the client-side, but are sharing memory and resources with the Cloud... rather than more of a "VM in the cloud" concept I've seen used many times already.

I'm not so sure EMB are looking to be bought out... not yet anyway.

Simon J Stuart United Kingdom |

3/30/2011 2:32:27 PM #

Uwe Raabe

The free space you get from Amazon is 5GB, not 5MB

Uwe Raabe Germany |

3/30/2011 2:47:04 PM #

nick

Fixed "5MB" to "5GB".  Thanks.

nick United States |

3/30/2011 2:51:35 PM #

Vaughan

So what would be the strategy behind a Windows app store considering Microsoft is building a Microsoft app store for Windows 8.

Then again Microsoft will most likely try enforce either PC based software and Azure only cloud based apps in its app store which is where Google and its EC2 cloud platforms would be a good partner for Embarcadero.

Lets see where this will go...

Vaughan South Africa |

3/30/2011 2:59:10 PM #

Jolyon Smith

Um, the Embarcadero AppWave announcement says nothing about creating an "app store", it talks only about Embarcadero software:

"AppWave™ lets you maximize the value of your Embarcadero software and the productivity of your users. By broadcasting software applications and updates, your users can quickly and easily find and run their Embarcadero applications anywhere, anytime, instantly."


It should be about time to start hearing about the indications given 2-3 years ago about being able to incorporate "All Access" technology in our own apps, but all we have seen in the intervening period is that technology renamed:

"All Access" begat "ToolCloud" which now begats "AppWave"


As is typical of innovatively bankrupt companies, all they do is change the name on the packaging to make old rope look like more relevant for new money.

Things are "cloudy".... TOOL CLOUD !!!

Big buzz about "App" stores..... APP WAVE !!!


Pathetic

Jolyon Smith New Zealand |

3/30/2011 3:50:11 PM #

Paul Green

@Nick
Do you know how the Appwavestore is presented to the end user? I can't find any info about that anywhere.
Is it a Webpage(good) or an application that has to be downloaded and installed (Not so good)?

@Joylon
Check the video here
http://signup.appwavestore.com/
It shows a demo of downloading OpenOffice which is not an Embarcadero product.

Paul Green United Kingdom |

3/30/2011 3:51:55 PM #

Paul Green

@ Joylon -> @Jolyon.   Apologies

Paul Green United Kingdom |

3/30/2011 4:07:53 PM #

Mason Wheeler

I mentioned this to a friend of mine, a former Amazon engineer with over 5 years experience there.  He laughed and said it's highly unlikely, for a couple reasons:

NIH mentality. "Amazon does not acquire other companies for their software."
No need. "Building online stores is Amazon's core business. It's pretty much all they do.  They don't need someone else to build one for them."

Mason Wheeler United States |

3/30/2011 5:28:34 PM #

Jolyon Smith

Aha - that second link makes it apparent that AppWave is also "for the rest of us".

However, this claim is somewhat questionable:

"The first PC apps store that delivers a mobile-like app experience to your customers, for your Windows applications"


I offer Intel AppUp as an example of an *existing* PC Apps store that delivers a mobile-like app experience for Windows applications.

Not just in BETA, but real and frankly a darn sight more professional looking than "AppWave".

Jolyon Smith New Zealand |

3/30/2011 5:30:45 PM #

Chris

Joylon - not like you to jump to conclusions in a state of frenzy! The AppWave page on the main Embarcadero website just appears not to have been updated yet (or rather, is still in the process of being updated). Cf. the actual AppWave Store site - http://www.appwavestore.com/

Chris United Kingdom |

3/31/2011 1:17:15 PM #

nick

Mason --

Your friend makes a good point.

nick United States |

4/4/2011 1:32:14 AM #

Dev{eloper} Stonez

Heare are some of the Embarcadero AppWave Store [http:/www.appwavestore.com/] reviews

Embarcadero AppWave Store (beta) opens to developers
www.dzone.com/.../...beta_opens_to_developers.html

Understanding Embarcadero AppWave Technology
www.dzone.com/.../...adero_appwave_technology.html

Another Windows app store – but this time it is virtual. Embarcadero’s AppWave promises instant installs
www.dzone.com/.../..._but_this_time_it_is_vir.html

Embarcadero AppWave Store: The World’s First True App Store for PCs
www.dzone.com/.../..._the_worlds_first_true_a.html

Dev{eloper} Stonez United States |

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