On the EULA and the Delphi Community

By Nick at September 02, 2012 22:24
Filed Under: Delphi, Leadership, Personal

I won’t rehash the details of the recent “EULA Incident”. You can read about it for yourselves in the newsgroups or on various blogs and comments.

I want to talk, instead, about the reaction, response, and behavior of some of the community to the event.

First, I’m well aware that because on the internet no one knows you are a dog, people feel free to behave in ways they never would in person. I have been as guilty as anyone of this over the years, though I daresay that I like to think that I’ve become self-aware about the issue and been a much better online citizen over the past few years. However, being on the internet isn’t an excuse to be rude, offensive, and, well, a jerk.

And frankly, the response to the EULA issue by the Delphi community was shameful. Seriously. It wasn’t a rational discussion, it was a witch hunt. I’ll not weigh in on the issue at all other than to say that I was glad to see Embarcadero respond to the uproar by deciding not to make the change. And when I expressed that sentiment, I was pretty aggressively attacked for apparently not participating in what I called the “public flogging”. And then I was aggressively attacked for calling it a public flogging.

And it was a public flogging. It couldn’t even remotely be described as a professional discussion. I understand that the proposed but never adopted change would have had a rather profound effect on many people. But even so, that is simply not an excuse for meanness and vitriol.

Why am I writing this? Well, because I consider David Intersimone one of the finest men I’ve ever known and a good friend. He is kind, gentle, smart beyond reason, and very, very dedicated to the Delphi community. And for the Delphi community – whom he has served so well for many, many years – to treat him so badly was, well, very, very painful for me to see. DavidI didn’t even remotely deserve the treatment he got, and those of you who were so unpleasant to him should be ashamed of yourselves.

They say “All’s well that ends well”. The Delphi XE3 EULA controversy apparently is ending well.

But the Delphi community’s treatment of its longest and dearest friend did not end well at all.

Comments (53)

9/2/2012 10:39:42 PM #

Bruce McGee |

9/2/2012 11:07:16 PM #

Well said.

Alister Christie |

9/2/2012 11:11:47 PM #

I must agree... I haven't ever been a public part of the Delphi community but I have recently started reading a lot of information/blogs from the community out of interest because I know a lot of people have a lot to share.

I am sorry to say this but it seems to me that there a majority of members (at least the ones I have been been reading comments/articles from) are a bunch of useless good for nothing dogs. They have no idea about unity about respect, patience, tolerance, etc, etc. And it really pisses me off to say it nicely. I have such disdain for these people and the way they act and talk. I feel like using much stronger words but i fear the words i will use would make my grand mother turn in her grave.

I am glad to see there are at least some reasonably level headed people like yourself.

I have been using Delphi professionally for many years now for very large projects and I have been very happy it. Screw the comments and remarks of worthless insignificant little insects. No disrespect

Chris Nillissen |

9/2/2012 11:29:09 PM #

Hi nick, i agree with you 100%. my recent posts on linked in replying to the eula changes were somewhat on the same lines as your opinions in the blog above. i was wondering why the community was giving such extreme reactions! anyway, since the community follows you closely, i am sure this will help them see reason.

Nirav

Nirav Kaku |

9/2/2012 11:47:36 PM #

It wasn't a "proposed" change.

You know it.
Every Technology "Partner" knows it.

You talk about the way David I was treated, yet seemingly have nothing what-so-ever to say about the way Embarcadero treated it's partners, a treatment that was only reversed (not averted) as a result of the outcry.

Ultimately, sadly, Embarcadero are the ones that put David I in the unenviable position of having to try to defend the indefensible.

Jolyon Smith |

9/3/2012 1:01:23 AM #

Agree with Jolyon

Paul |

9/3/2012 10:05:30 AM #

markus |

9/3/2012 12:06:26 AM #

+2

Well said Nick.

Embarcadero have broken a lot of new ground with XE2/3 and are making a galant attempt to move ahead of the pack. If we want Delphi to continue being a serious alternate development toolset then the community needs to get fully behind Embarcadero.

I second your sentiments on David I. also. I have only met him a few times and he is very much a gentleman.

Regards
Andrew

Andrew Rutherford |

9/3/2012 2:15:21 PM #

"...If we want Delphi to continue being a serious alternate development toolset then the community needs to get fully behind Embarcadero"

Well I think it is up to Embarcadero to develop and implement their marketing strategy. Why would I get behind Embarcadero? I have my own business to run. Embarcadero needs to attract NEW CUSTOMERS. That is what they should be busy with.

Without it all we have is ever increasing attempts to squeeze yet more money out of ever dwindling customer base the latest of which we have just witnessed.

Kostya |

9/3/2012 12:49:13 AM #

I fully agree with Nicks comments.

One of the problems is that so many assumptions are made by everyone without knowing the full story. We, nor anyone else, can assume to know the reasons behind why such a change was considered. There might have been good reasons for such a change that could have justified it, we just can't tell. The community seems to always just go and automatically assume the worst and accuse Embarcadero and related parties of "screwing" everyone, it happens every single time and it seems by the same disgruntled people. Frankly it embarrasses me as a Delphi user.

Despite the fact that the QA and documentation could be a bit better, I still enjoy Delphi and will continue to do so into the future.

9/3/2012 4:45:04 PM #

I only looked briefly at the "Bad Morning Surprise" thread when it first came out. It was still early days. I haven't looked back at it to see all of the comments about David I because the problem was resolved by the time I looked back. It's also quite daunting to think about catching up when you see a 700+ post thread. Any attacks on David I (and the attacks on Nick that I saw in a different thread) were uncalled for. Both have been valuable ambassadors for Delphi over the years and they continue to invest immensely in the community. I will go back and read the thread when I have time but it does sound like David was treated very badly.

That said, what does concern me greatly is the change that was mooted. I get really worried when a change is made to the license agreement of an existing product (yes, it's a new version) that prevents someone from creating a specific type of product. There will always be new features added to Delphi and some of these will be added to Enterprise or Architect (and over time rolled down the range). That's fine, but taking functionality away from an existing version is a very dangerous precedent to set. What's to stop it from happening with Enterprise? What if they added a clause prohibiting development of software that made use of web services? The problem is that the majority of Delphi developers need to upgrade to future versions of Delphi. We need the support that's being added for new platforms (e.g. WinRT, while it's not supported at the moment, if it's possible, Emb will do it) and things such as 64 bit. The last thing we can afford to do with millions of lines of Delphi code is get a license limitation that prevents us from upgrading and taking advantage of these things that quite often we need. I know about the "grandfather" clause but even that could get removed in the future. Changing a license agreement like this is something that makes me very nervous. I love Delphi. I love how it makes even the tough things simple. I love that it creates native code. What makes me very nervous is that they even considered making these changes in the first place.

Dean Hill |

9/3/2012 12:56:03 AM #

I think the flogging part goes with the job as far as DavidI is concerned.

Yogi Yang |

9/3/2012 1:40:09 AM #

Nick, you're losing credibility with this, just as EMBT did.
No amount of spinning can change reality.

Eric |

9/3/2012 2:16:43 AM #

Back in the day, I thought David I WAS Frank Borland!

I still have David I's C++ video.

andrew barton |

9/3/2012 2:28:09 AM #

+ another 1

@Jolyon: "...yet seemingly have nothing what-so-ever to say about the way Embarcadero treated it's partners". Right -that's what Nick said at the beginning of this post: "I won't rehash the details...". It has already been said by many others and the result is that the EULA is now changed.
I agree with Nick that a little less vitriol could have been applied with the same result.

Jan

Jan Doggen |

9/3/2012 2:16:55 PM #

"I agree with Nick that a little less vitriol could have been applied with the same result"

Maybe yes maybe no. Better to make sure. It is our money on the table.

9/3/2012 3:33:25 AM #

I didn't perceive it as vitriol. Rather one more incarnation of 'non-optimal' communication. If you write 'the proposed but never adopted change' I don't see a proposition here, but rather an unilateral change which has been caught and, thankfully reverted; maybe due to the strong reactions?

(Not that I personally would have been affected by the change, I mostly wait for Linux (server) support and (until now) kind of supported Emb in order to 'advance' the Pascal 'cause', I also use FreePascal)

-tom

tom |

9/3/2012 3:48:15 AM #

Good stuff, Nick!
You are VERY right
Go Delphi

Pawel Glowacki |

9/3/2012 3:51:06 AM #

There has always been a "bad" element in the Delphi community and nothing will change that.
In this case there were a large number of posts, some rude and unprofessional, some quite the reverse.

It's important to be clear in not tarring them all with the same brush.

DelphiOutsider |

9/3/2012 3:51:34 AM #

Nice try. The old trick to try to become the "victim" when you have to defend the untenable, while altering the truth in a subtle way ("shameful", "it wasn't rational", "proposed change", "aggressively attacked"). You've studied well communist propaganda tactics.
It is easy to say "I care about the Delphi community". The difficult part is to show it actually even when it may be not so easy. You didn't.
Now I trust you as much as I trust Embarcadero. You're a company man, not a community man. Not pretend to be one, please.

Kent Morwath |

9/3/2012 4:14:16 AM #

Hmm... something strange happened. I could have swore I posted a reply to this blog and now I don't see it. Wonder why.

9/3/2012 4:38:47 AM #

I'm afraid I have to agree with Jolyon, EMBT was trying to pull a somewhat underhand trick and only changed their minds thanks to community pressure - without that pressure Pro users could/would have been lumbered with additional costs in order to continue using Delphi.

That said, I still think Delphi is the best!!!

Paul Bennett |

9/3/2012 5:17:15 AM #

I agree 100%.

The rule of thumb should be that you don't say anything online that you would not say to someone face to face.

What's more, if you maintain standards of basic civil decency, people will be more likely to listen to you. In other words, be polite and you have more chance of getting your wishes. Everyone wins.

David Heffernan |

9/5/2012 1:43:28 PM #

Exactly. While I disagreed with the EULA change, and said so privately, I did not call anyone names. But on the internet, it seems that a "panic and shout" mentality prevails. Jolyon seems to participate in the panic and shouting, with some glee, and that's where it would have been big of him to apologize for his part in it.

Warren

Warren Postma |

9/3/2012 8:31:35 AM #

EMB management can be happy that we don't say anything online that we would tell them face to face. Why would you doubt,that ...

>But the Delphi community’s treatment of its longest and dearest friend did not end well at
>all.
Elaborate, please. But from what I read and I guess from - Bring the CEO into the arena, we will have to give sb. a good talking.
https://www.embarcadero.com/company/executive-team
They should not even think of touching one hair of David I's beard, none of them. I cannot imagine that David I. would give up on his own. He is out in the fields in the mud together with the hounds of Pascalville, that's something different than green grass at the golf court.

Anyway, have look now at XE3 ... hop, hop.

Bunny |

9/3/2012 8:39:17 AM #

Nick thank you for bringing some sense back to the forefront. On this issue the Delphi community turned into a mob. I consider myself part of that Delphi community but not part of the mob. Long Live Delphi!

Michael Riley |

9/3/2012 9:09:07 AM #

I can't say I saw much difference in the way David I was treated, and the way the tech partners were treated. The "boo hoo" crying routine is misplaced.

Eivind Bakkestuen |

9/3/2012 9:30:55 AM #

+1.

I think there's many delphi community members loosing the jobs and don't finding the way to turn around the situation. Is the only explanation i can find to the amazing overreacting and attack to Nick.

Best regards.

German Pablo Gentile |

9/3/2012 9:48:02 AM #

Nick?
community.devexpress.com/.../...newsletter-51.aspx

9/3/2012 10:28:35 AM #

I think that this is not the place or the moment to tell this type of things. I think that all the thing needs a reflexion and before to lanch a product (EULA) they need to think a lot of things with care. The actual situation is very harmful and this idea was a BAD IDEA.

one more |

9/3/2012 10:50:26 AM #

I'm a little confused how Nick's article, which certainly didn't side with Embarcadero's original decision in any way, but which decried the personalization of the attacks on DavidI, a good guy who is paid to defend his employer's policies, no matter how misguided, earned Nick some of the venomous attacks included in these comments. One of them even accused him of being a company man (aka toady). This would be the same company that fired him? The outcry against Embarcadero's odious attempt to devalue their product and their third-party partners was called for. You could even make a (very slim) case for being mad at DavidI for not using his force of personality to single-handedly overturn the decision before it became set in writing. After all, a lot of us think of DavidI as our protector against a succession of Delphi owners seemingly set on destroying the product. But to 'blame' him for not being able to bring off the herculean task? Smacks a little of blaming the messenger doesn't it?

I'm a Delphi 7 guy. Bought 2010 under the pressure of "if you want to keep your update rights, buy now." Didn't sniff at XE because there isn't anything in any product past D7 that I NEED to do my work. Still, I was going to protest the EULA ONCE THE PRODUCT CAME OUT, by asking Embarcadero to remove me from their mailing lists. I didn't want to be involved with the kind of company that would make, and stick, to that kind of decision. But I wasn't going to make it personal. I respect DavidI. I respect Nick. And nothing they've done over the last two months (or decades) has changed that in my mind.

Others? Yes.

Gary Mugford |

9/3/2012 10:53:33 AM #

Nick,

Thank you for "daring" this post.
I agree 100% with you!

Thomas Vedel |

9/3/2012 11:43:22 AM #

Hi Nick,
i agree with you.
+1

salvador |

9/3/2012 12:29:49 PM #

I agree with you Nick.  I was dismayed at the treatment of Embarcadero by a few Delphi users.  Their lack of argument is evidenced here, in this blog thread, by name-calling you a 'communist.'  I just laughed.  I'm pretty sure your social-political views do not align with Marks & Engles or Lennon, Stahlin, nor even Ho Chi Minn.

In fact, one could make the argument that these few believe that the 'means of production' (Delphi) belongs to the 'community' and not to the 'private property owners' (Embarcadero).  Hey, just who's the communist here?

Actually, there is no moral imperative that Embarcadero must release multiple versions at all, let alone the feature-mix per edition demanded by a handfull.

Look, in the U.S. Delphi positions pay from $45K(novice) to $120K(guru contractor).  Now, even if you are a novice, having to pay a few hundred dollars more to make $45,000.00 is quite a value proposition!

Keep up the good work Nick.

Keith |

9/3/2012 12:40:33 PM #

Typo correction: 'Engels' and 'Linen'

9/3/2012 2:06:24 PM #

Marx and Engels, Lenin ...

Marx was a more 'western style' capitalist*), he studied the capitalist system and found out that it does have some drawbacks - one of those is the inner barrier.  Karl Marx has always been short of money and has always been looking for funding. One of those sources has been the environment surrounding Friedrich Engels. I think the early communists have been sponsored by aristocrats - they knew their time had come and they have been seeking for a solution.

*) More or less the Zeitgeist in the early days of a specific thinking in Vienna. Somehow Laissez Faire (Habsburgian way of running a country ...)and trying to find a way to finance the 'empire', pay for an army that won maneuvres only but never a war for decades and all the officers had been underpaid when they were young and short of money too. We have a saying in Austria, 'Debts like a stuff officer' - origins  from these days. When the creditors wanted to have their money back, they went into a battle... and maybe returned.

Marx wrote a lot about work, but did not like to. Soulmate of mine.

Marx just said once about socialism/communism at the time he resided in London, 'I know it will come, but that day we are long gone'. Marx never liked to work.

>Actually, there is no moral imperative that Embarcadero must release multiple
> versions at all, let alone the feature-mix per edition demanded by a handfull.
The demand for the DB drivers has extra packages been communicated since 2008 in the professional forums, for example linkedin.

The only problem I see. The moment EMB ships something superb a third-party vendor would suffer, starts suffering. DB drivers are specific - dependent on the speed need you have to provide a very specific very responsive organization that ships a fix within hours ... it's less about the drivers it's more about the organizations  responsiveness. In all other cases, why not have an add-on package. Why not have one for the db-drivers.

One thing people have to be careful. If they wish to have something, it cannot come for free.

I am happy in the meanwhile with the RAD Studio pricing. More or less MSDN and you get more ...

Upgrade Quick, you get the FMX Premium Add-on Package ... Styles ... for free, beside the TMS Grid and a conversion tool.

9/3/2012 2:09:40 PM #

"Now, even if you are a novice, having to pay a few hundred dollars more to make $45,000.00 is quite a value proposition"

I'd call such approach delusion and recipe for market disaster.

9/3/2012 4:58:13 PM #

"I'd call such approach delusion and recipe for market disaster."

My house is completely paid for (~$250k), my car is completely paid for (Jeep Grand Cherokee), and I have a little over $100k in investments - every nickle came from money I earned with Delphi. I thank God for this 'delusion.' Please ... don't wake me from my 'delusion.'

With the addition of OSX, Metropolis, Android, and others, I see the Delphi future 'market' in expansion, not a 'disaster.'

9/3/2012 5:53:54 PM #

Good for you. I am not complaining either. But to assume that this is a profile of average developer and target it IS a delusion.

9/3/2012 7:07:24 PM #

Ok. Let's review:
1) My claim: "having to pay a few hundred dollars more to make $45,000.00" is a good value
2) You respond: this approach is a "delusion"
3) My response: with my own experience (just to give one concrete example of this "approach")
4) You respond: asserting that my experience ('profile') is 'average' "IS delusion."
5) My response:
   1) You switched to what you were referencing as delusional:
      1) First, it was my "approach"
      2) Then, you switched to: it was my own concrete experience
   2) I never claimed my experience is "average"
   3) You never addressed how the approach I described is a "delusion"

You know, now that I think about it, it's a lot better than I originally thought:
1) My approach: Is the price of an upgrade worth the return
2) Please note that I used the "novice" pay grade
3) In reality, I've not heard of a Delphi developer being paid $45k in about 6/7 years
4) Today, I would say that an average Delphi position is about $70k
5) But even if you stay with the novice pay, you know, as I do that not every developer upgades every year.  So, a reality-based proposition is: is it worth the price of a Studio upgrade for three years worth of average pay? That comes to $210k

I am not going to respond again.  I've taken this discussion as far as I care.  But I am STILL waiting to see a single reason why either of these two "approaches" are delusional.

9/6/2012 6:05:25 PM #

Keith, there's 107 jobs that mention Delphi on Dice across the entire United States right now, which drops to 27 if you require the word to be in the title. "COBOL" returns 578 hits. The average Delphi position pays $0 then because the average Delphi programmer who seeks to remain a Delphi programmer is out of work.

Joseph |

9/7/2012 7:38:14 AM #

We have immediate openings here at Gateway Ticketing for Delphi developers. They aren't on Dice.

Nick Hodges |

9/3/2012 2:08:15 PM #

"And frankly, the response to the EULA issue by the Delphi community was shameful"

The only shameful thing I see is Embarcadero trying to squeeze their customers/partners.

9/3/2012 2:35:10 PM #

I popped into the NGs today (Monday, 9/3) to see if there was any news about XE3, and noticed this huge outcry over the EULA bit.

It's definitely one of the biggest whine-fests I've ever seen!

I think the thing that made it all the more ridiculous is that most of the bitching was from FOREIGNERS -- who apparently aren't aware that America is this weekend celebrating a HOLIDAY not coincidentally called LABOR DAY.  It's supposed objective is to honor the hard-working people who helped build our country.  It has, in fact, turned into one of the biggest excuses for HUGE SALES by retailers that happens throughout the year.

During holiday weekends, it's far less likely that ANYBODY is hanging out at corporate HQ -- let alone anybody who can address huge policy questions that might simply be typos.

The mere fact that David I or ANYBODY at Embarcadero is reachable to address this sort of thing on a HOLIDAY WEEKEND is a testament to the level of dedication they have to their job and these incredible products!

The only think sillier than an American company posting a major update to a product the Friday before a HOLIDAY WEEKEND is making a tiny faux pax in something that nobody in the company is likely to catch until the FOLLOWING TUESDAY (which would be TOMORROW!).

I don't know about folks overseas, but it's pretty common for people to leave work early on a Friday before a holiday.  So someone's butt may be getting fried tomorrow for failing to notice a few tiny glitches that snuck into this release.

But overall, I think that the overwhelmingly negative knee-jerk reaction by mostly foreign customers to a situation created mainly because of a HOLIDAY WEEKEND IN AMERICA is pretty pathetic.

Just scroll up the replies to this thread and count how few are from Americans.

THIS IS AN AMERICAN HOLIDAY WEEKEND, FOLKS!!!

PEOPLE ARE OUT RELAXING WITH THEIR FAMILIES!!!!

GET OVER IT!!!

David S |

9/3/2012 3:15:24 PM #

Whatever you're drinking/smoking on this fine AMERICAN HOLIDAY (TM) can I have some of it?

9/3/2012 3:28:07 PM #

We don't give crap about your HOLIDAYS.

Greetings,
The rest of the world.

Wouter |

9/3/2012 4:15:57 PM #

Well, in general, you shouldn't.

The point is ... nobody's there to respond to your complaints when they're on holiday.

So knowing that, it's pointless to raise a huge ruckas thinking that you're being ignored.

I'm not defending what happened. I just think it's silly that the vast majority of complaints seem to be from foreigners who don't seem to be aware that Americans -- including most Embarcadero employees -- are on holiday this weekend.

Again, the fact that it was even addressed before tomorrow (Tuesday) is a testament to the dedication that David I and others have to this community. When you're off skiing somewhere with friends or family, do you want to have your time sucked-up by some goofy typo that snuck into a release by mistake? (Just saying ... although we don't know how serious this particular faux pax really was.)

9/3/2012 5:45:15 PM #

This was exposed publicly on Tues 28th Aug.
EMBT had already told it's third party partners well before this.
It wasn't some "faux pas" or "goofy typo" as you put it. It was a planned and calculated change.

There was 3 whole days of complaints (Wed,Thur,Fri). Some totally unreasonable, many totally reasonable (a fact which seems to have escaped some). Plenty of time to at least make some sort of official communication.

So i'm not sure what being a foreigner has to do with it!

9/4/2012 1:57:17 AM #

I only skimmed some of the posts and got the sense that something happened again like last year when they changed the EULA saying that if you travel much then you have to buy a separate license from a distributor in the region where you're staying if you're going to be there more than some arbitrary time limit ...

Like ... the industry that created the "travel the world and work from your laptop on a secluded beach somewhere" meme cannot see any reason its own workers might want to do that, too?  Give me a freaking break!

I don't know who comes up with these idiotic licensing terms, but I'd imagine they probably get snuck into the EULA just to see if anybody is reading it.  Or else they were put there to see if a reviewer was checking it.

They make no sense on their face, and especially since that they seem to be happening at a point in time deliberately intended to coincide with a major US holiday.

(I once was asked to write a chapter of a User Manual, and was told one of the senior tech writers would be editing it.  Just for fun, I put in a little off-color joke expecting the editor would catch it.  I was rather embarrassed when I picked up a copy of the first printing of the manual and there in black-and-white for all the world to see was my stupid joke!  Upon closer examination, the "editor" did not make one single edit on my material.  I don't know if that was a compliment or just a reflection of the fact that he was overloaded.  But regardless, it taught me a lesson.  One I think the people writing the EULAs here haven't gotten yet.)

Which brings up an interesting question ... who writes / updates the EULAs anyway from release to release?  Marketing?  Development?  QA?  Legal?  The Manager of Distribution?

9/3/2012 2:39:33 PM #

I must have to agree with you on this issue, as David I is a fine person that we are fortunate to have it in our community.

I was against the proposed change on the EULA and I'm glad it has been reverted, but I wonder if not for the uproar or public flogging, the new EULA might have come to be. Don't you think?

However, it was not the way to treat on good old friend.

Mario

Mario Enriquez |

9/3/2012 2:44:03 PM #

Nick, I agree with you 100% ... there is really no reason for the largely acrimonious posts that became personal attacks and downright impolite behavior. Granted, the EULA issue was very important and needed to be addressed, but this campaign of derision will most likely create more damage than good between developers and Embarcadero.

What these rude people don't realize is that their harsh behavior is now public record and available to view for many, many years ... human decency and civilized conduct is still important in business, and I'm sure that there will be many who will simply stay clear of these "internet hooligans".

Karma's a b*tch ...

Cesar Marrero |

9/4/2012 1:43:03 AM #

The internet needs trolls to keep forums alive. Nobody likes them, but they do serve a purpose. I hope we're not all fragile souls that cannot handle a bit of criticism and rude language.

I did not take part in the recent discussions, but I actually enjoy reading the whole soap opera. I'm sure others do too. Look at how many replies and delphi-feeds upvotes there are lately.

Just don't mess with davidi. Somebody with an epic beard like that deserves respect.

9/4/2012 12:49:57 AM #

The form of the outcry was may be rude at time, fair enough; but sorry the strength of Delphi has been its community, which is aging and shrinking, largely because the product is getting more and more expensive; and they wanted to increase the price even more: by forcing single developers to buy the "Enterprise" version, if they wanted to continue to work.
A lot of you have a very myopic view because, you live in well-to-do countries, imagine Ukraine, Romania they have very bright coders - do you think the can afford 2500$ plus the yearly maintenance fees.
Embarcadero want to sell only to big companies? and/or try to milk the existing users left?

As one person summarized it well:
Ultimately, sadly, Embarcadero are the ones that put DavidI in the unenviable position of having to try to defend the indefensible.
And if poor DavidI got insulted, he should complain to its bosses.

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